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RP "principles of membership" #51
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@sarahcleary - for the few among us who don't live and breath legal documents, could you point to the specific PDF (there are three) and page? Thanks, Val |
https://csiroau-my.sharepoint.com/:b:/r/personal/cle11c_csiro_au/Documents/APSIM_RP%20Shared%20Folder/Innovation%20Agreement/AI%20-%20Reference%20Panel.pdf?csf=1&e=D7h85w - this document has the key clauses/schedule. The main docs were for reference/interest/definitions etc.. |
As per Agenda item 6 RP Roles and Responsibilities from #67 and Action from AI SC July meeting. @APSIMInitiative/reference-panel - draft RP role for review: RP RoleMembership
RP Role and Function Science Quality The RP shall oversee all major science modifications to APSIM including new science functionality. This function reviews all science changes to APSIM, being cognisant of the wider APSIM functionality. On request, the RP shall advise the Steering Committee on acceptance or rejection of proposed science changes. Software Engineering The RP shall oversee all substantial software changes and development activities dealing with APSIM, including release management, reengineering source code and actively improving software process, reviewing all source code modifications and changes and, where appropriate, advising the Steering Committee on acceptance or rejection of same. It is envisaged that membership of The Reference Panel would be a prestigious appointment akin to a journal editorial board.
Decision Making
Reference Panel Operations
Science and Software Review and other Procedural decisions
Other issues -- Should there be an FTE commitment? Reference Panel Guiding Principles:
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Outstanding Action: @APSIMInitiative/reference-panel to provide any further comments. |
Outstanding Action: @APSIMInitiative/reference-panel to provide any further comments. Meeting on Tuesday - sign off and plan for implementation of new Reference Panel Operations |
One suggestion - refer to the new development guidelines in items 3 and 4 in Reference Panel Guiding Principles: |
RP RoleMembership
RP Role and Function Science Quality The RP shall oversee and review all major science additions and modifications to APSIM, being cognisant of APSIM functionality across science domains. On request, the RP shall advise the Steering Committee on acceptance or rejection of proposed science changes. Software Engineering The RP shall oversee all substantial software changes and development activities dealing with APSIM, including release management, reengineering source code, reviewing source code modifications and, where appropriate, advising the Steering Committee on acceptance or rejection of same. The RP should actively seek to improve AI software process wherever possible. It is envisaged that membership of The Reference Panel would be a prestigious appointment akin to a journal editorial board.
Decision Making
Reference Panel Operations
Science and Software Review and other Procedural decisions
Other issues
Reference Panel Guiding Principles: (Note these may need to be modified depending on APSIM IP discussion)
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"Membership of the RP requires active involvement from the RP representatives" - needs some clarification that this is active involvement in APSIM (e.g. developer, experienced / pushing-the-boundaries user) in order to contribute meaningfully to RP processes. "Organisations should support RP and SC membership by allocating up to a 10% FTE to each member" :-) my organisation has supported my involvement for many years by allocating <= 10% FTE (because 0 < 10 = true)! Do you mean approximately 10%? Not explicitly mentioned in the principles section is stuff that is not actually a module. So a third party could wrap all or part of APSIM in their model. The other things we've been seeing in a third party using our file format and generating a commercial service on transferring data from their database to APSIM and charging for that. Do we see both of these as fitting in the non-commercial space? Neither provide benefit/returns to APSIM. |
I would expect "active involvement" refers to RP activities, not apsim development activities. Users aren't necessarily developers. FTE: yes, the actual percentage is meaningless; but the expectation here is that the organisation supports AI activities which include an amount of time, meetings/workshops & travel (eventually). |
"Membership of the RP requires active involvement from the RP representatives" - needs some clarification that this is active involvement in APSIM (e.g. developer, experienced / pushing-the-boundaries user) in order to contribute meaningfully to RP processes - Agree with @peter-devoil - this is capturing RP activities - as defined above in the RP Role and Responsibility. "Organisations should support RP and SC membership by allocating up to a 10% FTE to each member" :-) my organisation has supported my involvement for many years by allocating <= 10% FTE (because 0 < 10 = true)! Do you mean approximately 10%? This is for discussion and engagement with the SC reps. Discussion should also be around "milestones be aligned with RP goals and activities and communicated to the APSIM Initiative" Some of the "Principles" discussion will be wrapped in the IP discussion as well as the what constitutes commercial use which is under discussion with the AI SC at the moment. Happy to brief the RP on this during the meeting - or have a chat with your AI SC rep for further information. |
Agree with Val on the FTE commitments of supporting organisation. |
There's been some discussion within UQ that I'll mention here: We'd like to change the Science Quality statement to "The RP shall And later, in the Operations section, we would like to emphasise the need for formative science discussions: v. It is envisaged that RP meetings are mostly strategic in nature, intending a focus on major/strategic improvements and the coordination of science developments in APSIM; fostering interaction between (invited) implementors and the broader APSIM community. The change of wording to "coordination" reflects misgivings about the online development process being reactive - opportunities for the RP to discuss and become involved at the design stage of science development are limited if the panel meets infrequently. |
Updated document hopefully addressing comments and other discussions. RP RoleMembership• The Reference Panel shall consist of at least one individual, preferably two individuals but no more, from each of the AI member organisations. RP Role and FunctionScience QualityThe RP shall coordinate and review all major science additions and modifications to APSIM, being cognisant of APSIM functionality across science domains. On request, the RP shall advise the Steering Committee on acceptance or rejection of proposed science changes. Software EngineeringThe RP shall oversee all substantial software changes and development activities dealing with APSIM, including release management, reengineering source code, reviewing source code modifications and, where appropriate, advising the Steering Committee on acceptance or rejection of same. The RP should actively seek to improve AI software process wherever possible. Decision Making• The Reference Panel shall have decision making capacity only in relation to those matters delegated to it by the Steering Committee. Reference Panel Operations• The Reference Panel shall elect from its representatives a chair for 12 months. The Chair shall rotate each 12 months. Science and Software Review and other Procedural decisions• Membership of the RP requires active involvement in AI Activities from all of the RP representatives Other issues• FTE commitment: It is anticipated that organisations support RP and SC membership, acknowledging that effective participation would entail in the order of 10% FTE, and that participation is defined by concrete milestones (aligned with RP goals and activities) that can be reported to both the organisation and the AI. Reference Panel Guiding Principles:
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Fine with me. |
As per Minutes: #50
@APSIMInitiative/reference-panel - to review current role.
Key clauses can be found in the AI-Reference Panel Doc. Agreement (Variation 4 and 7 attached for reference)
https://csiroau-my.sharepoint.com/:f:/r/personal/cle11c_csiro_au/Documents/APSIM_RP%20Shared%20Folder/Innovation%20Agreement?csf=1&e=JMpO5D
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